NO. MORE. VIETNAM.
Holy flurking schnit, I can't take it anymore. Talk about the issues, people! I don't give a flying Fokker about what happened more than 30 years ago. I know I said that Kerry should deal with the charges, since he chose to run on his service, but take it down a notch! There are issues to discuss, you idiots!
And now, a message for neolibs:
YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES.
You continuously call Bush a fascist, compare him to Hitler, and claim that he's crushing dissent. Then, as soon as an independent group criticizes John "F**k Up" Kerry, you claim that Bush should step in and stop their "smear campaign."
MAKE UP YOUR FOTHERMUCKIN' MINDS, YOU SONS OF BIRCHES!
And speaking of the "smear campaign" meme...crap like this makes me forkin' furious:
Max Cleland, minus the three limbs he lost in Vietnam, showed up in his wheelchair outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Tex., on Wednesday to suggest that the president take the simple and decent step of condemning the slime that is being spread by Bush supporters against the war record of John Kerry...George W. Bush ought to call off his dogs.
First of all, the fact that it hurts the reputation of the Flip-Flopping Frenchman doesn't automatically make it "slime." I know that in Liberal Land, anything you don't agree with is a lie by default, but we're living in a wonderful place called "reality." You have to actually deal with the accusations, rather than attacking the messengers. Remember AWOL? Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
And furthermore, what is this "Bush ought to call off his dogs" nonsense? They're not working for Bush! This is yet another common logical fallacy of liberals: "Anyone who doesn't agree with me is working for/with my political opponents."
THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS!
Get used to the idea that people can, all by themselves, come to a different conclusion on an issue. It's not a shady plot by Karl Rove to discredit Kerry; It's just Americans exercising the rights they fought to defend. And now that I think about it...if it's wrong to criticize "war heroes," then why are you defaming the Swift Boat Vets? YOU'RE FREAKIN' HYPOCRITES, THAT'S WHY.
In addition, if you partisan pukes would take a second to look at facts, you'd notice that Bush disagrees with the claims of the SBVFT. Oh, but Bush is a liar, right? We can't trust anything he says, so we have to put words in his mouth, like "Mission Accomplished" and "Iraq is an imminent threat."
Getting back to the Bob Herbert piece, let's talk about this "chickenhawk" crap again. Our misguided columnist says the following:
What is incredible is that these attacks on men who served not just honorably, but heroically, are coming from a hawkish party that is controlled by an astonishing number of men who sprinted as far from the front lines as they could when they were of fighting age and their country was at war.
First of all, the attacks are coming from other veterans, but since this doesn't fit your "everyone who attacks Kerry is a puppet of Bush" view, I'll leave it at that.
However, I'm sick of people saying that you shouldn't be allowed to support war if you haven't served. You could at least be consistent about it. So, in the future...
-Don't call the police until you're trained to make an arrest.
-Don't even think about calling the fire department unless you work for them already.
-Don't order anything at a restaurant that you couldn't make on your own.
-Refrain from shouting suggestions at professional athletes until you prove you're capable of playing as well as they do.
-Don't vote unless you've held public office.
-Don't listen to any music until you learn how to play all the instruments.
-Don't pay for a haircut unless you learn how to cut it yourself.
...And so on. What's so hard to understand? We have a volunteer military because some people are more capable of serving than others. Declining to serve while still supporting the war doesn't make you a "chickenhawk" any more than calling the police makes you a "chickenpig..." or something like that.
And finally, let's take a look at this:
I would like to see at least some of these men, in keeping with their positions as leaders of a great nation, stand up and say it is wrong - just wrong - to try and reap a cheap political gain by defacing the sacrifices of individuals like John Kerry, John McCain and Max Cleland, who put themselves in mortal danger in the service of their country.
Disregarding the myths about McCain and Cleland, let's talk about Kerry again. I agree that it's wrong to deface the sacrifices of war heroes. But when veterans lie about their service, and then use those lies as the centerpiece of their campaign, it's fair game. John Kerry reported for duty, and his duties as a public servant include telling the truth.
In any case, real heroes don't brag about their heroism. Real heroes don't use men whose lives they saved as political pawns. Real heroes don't use their war injuries to dodge any criticism of their voting record. Real heroes don't have to constantly remind everyone how heroic they are. Real heroes accept their heroism and move on with their lives. We had a couple real heroes running for president in the last decade, but I guess that since they didn't constantly remind us of how they served in World War II, they weren't heroic enough.
Hypocrites. You're all a bunch of despicable, worthless hypocrites, and you're too stupid and brainwashed to even realize it.
I hate people.
Posted by CD on August 27, 2004 11:40 PMIt's kind of like the orginal Manchurian Candidate. The mother accused everyone who disagreed with her of being a communist. I have recently discovered how good this movie is and have watched it at least 4 times in the last 2 weeks. For some reason, i play solitaire all the time too.
:-D
And heh, "chickenpig" that made me laugh.
:-D
Kerry wouldn't LET the discussion be about the issues. The man can't take a leak without mentioning how he used to have to watch for snakes when he took a leak in Vietnam. He's been running away from his dismal Senate record as fast as he can. He figured he was safe running on the "I'm a War Hero" platform... until the SBVT sunk THAT ship.Their attacks are going to FORCE him to talk about the issues, since his attempts to muzzle them and strip their right of free speech haven't worked.
Posted by: CavalierX at August 28, 2004 02:13 AMFrom a non-political perspective, Kerry cracks me up:
- Kerry wants to debate Bush on the issues
"Bring it on!"
- Bush talks about how Kerry will screw up Iraq
"Make it stop!"
- SwiftVets release ads
"Make it stop!"
- Book and movie on Kerry's service are announced
"Bring it on!"
So does Kerry want to "bring it on" or "make it stop?" The world may never know.
Posted by: Alex D. at August 28, 2004 04:35 AM